Biden's performance will make the far left happy, but showed him unfit to be President. It was immature , nutty and rude to say the least. A turn off to anyone except the 30% of voters who are liberal. Like Warren, just class warfare platitudes and the politics of envy and resentment. No one wants that in a leader. He is an embarrassment.

Biden looked like the nutty neighbor everyone avoids and is afraid of. Why didn't the moderator tell him to shut up!!!!! Oh yeah....main stream media.

I agree you with Shribman. The moderator had absolutely no control and continued to allow interruptions and Biden interrupted OFTEN! It got to the point where they were talking over each other because Biden would not stop talking, smirking, laughing at every single statement... it was ridiculous and even hard to watch at times because of his behavior.

I knew the repubs would grasp at straws because their choice got schooled by somebody with far more knowledge of the state of the union both foreign and domestic. that's the difference between the repubs and the democrats, the democrats live in the real world where when we watched the president get handed his hat in the presidential debate we complain about the president needing to do better. When the repubs see their boy get schooled they blame Biden for shaking his head in disbelief at the accusations and manipulations of the truth by Ryan. They say he's being "rude" and "dismissive". Oh and let's not forget to blame the "LIBERUL" media! This alternate universe is getting pretty crowded with all them Faux watchers and it's bleeding over into wonderland! Where's the Mad Hatter?

Doug shows right there, exactly what everyone disliked about Biden last night.. The condescending, 'We know more than you unwashed masses, shut up and like it' attitude that comes from the far left and this administration.

I think Biden was having a good time and laugh showing the american voters the ineptness of Ryan/Romney ticket!!

That;s right Jim. That is probably what you heard but it still doesn't change the fact that Biden won the debate and the repubs such as yourself are too wrapped in your own Faux bubble to admit it. Again I know when our candidate loses a debate I just get over it and hope he does better at the next one. I can admit that. Can you? Or is your bubble all encompassing and completely "thought-tight"!

Calling Ms. Manners. Ms. Manners next publication will certainly contain a chapter on proper debate etiquette after viewing Biden's obnoxious demeanor. Unfortunately, Class implants are not an available market product.

If Ryan didn't play a shell game with his and Romney's proposal ("we have a framework"), didn't take liberties with the facts (embassy security should be improved, yet his budget plan cuts $300 million from embassy security), and out and out lie (we are here to preserve medicare) then he could have won the debate. BUT HE DIDN'T. I didn't like Biden's facial expressions, but after all Ryan's answers were comical.

All anyone is talking about today is how moronic Biden looked and questioning his stability. It was like fighting a drunk relative

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCtemaHgjyA

As a Ryan supporter, I noticed that my candidate was often in the process of making fantastic points only to be interrupted by Biden which tended to drown out the fantastic points. On the one hand, you could say the interruptions were effective. On the other hand you could say it was rude to essentially silence someone.

If I were working with these guys (maybe as a lawyer), I would say Ryan is someone you could discuss the facts of the situation to come to an agreement or disagreement and Biden is someone you could discuss the emotions of the situation.

Don't scream Doug - we need you to remain calm.

I think Obama is also guilty of running on Hope and Change the last time but not providing specifics.

And I don't think he now has a credible plan to deal with the deficit (other than raising taxes on the wealthy which won't raise nearly enough even if it were a good idea) - and I personally think the deficit situation will be made much worse with the so-called Affordable Care Act once the bills start coming in.

Biden came off like a complete jerk. He acted like a bully. I was so busy being put off by his rudeness I didn't really have much opportunity to hear any content. I wonder if he would treat world leaders that way?

There is no doubt that if you are a liberal Demcorat then Ms Warren should be your choice..There is also no doubt that if you are an Independent, a Republican or a moderate Democrat then Mr. Brown should be your choice... Mr. Lewis, we get it.. you are a liberal Democrat and you will be voting for Ms. Warren. Some of the rest of us will be with the other guy.

Biden's was the overwhelmingly clear winner last night. He called out Ryan for all of the republican's lies. He wasn't going to allow any more demagoguery by the right wing's alter boy. He clearly showed how sick he is of the right's distortion of the facts. He had his hackles up and frankly ruled the night. His mannerisms were priceless. I only wished Obama had shown some emotion in his debate.

Doug.. Funny, your previous comments defending Biden and the Democrats would of had me believe you were a Die hard Democrat. Sorry, my bad, obviously you are a impartial Independent who doesn't like either party.. LOL!

I thought Biden spoke to how it really is and Ryan was a typical politician with empty, broad answers. I think it was a man talking to a little boy who thinks he knows what he is talking about but doesn't. I laughed too!!
How about Ryan asking for stimulus money and using it poorly? How about the fact that we need more than a good businessman as a leader? I am more concerned with Romney's childlike laughter and immaturity than I am Bider!

I watched both debates with my teenage granddaughters,obama didn't do well. at 15 years old they felt biden showed true passion and thought the president should have also. they are are future and like so many of they're friends feel obama,biden is the way to go.

It takes a lot of disrespect towards the Americn people for Biden to act like he and Obama have done a good job. His childish behavior is nothing new. Why should we trust them with 4 more years when they failed on most of the promises from the last 4? VP debates mean very little anyhow. All you have to do is imagine Biden as president !

Ryan won-CNN called it. Biden didn't know anything about the 4 requests from the embassador in Lybia that were denied, but knows all about Iran's nuclear progress. I feel so safe. Hope is not a plan.

Biden rocked it. Those who think Ryan wasn't slapped around with fact are kidding themselves. it was like watching a dad school his idiot son on the ways of the world. No offense republicans....but that's how it looked. Ryan was a robot with memorized facts...Biden was a passionate American with life experiences and a grasp on what makes America great.

Biden is a moron....Can't wait to see him go.

"Look, John's last-minute economic plan does nothing to tackle the number-one job facing the middle class, and it happens to be, as Barack says, a three-letter word: jobs. J-O-B-S, jobs."

"A man I'm proud to call my friend. A man who will be the next President of the United States -- Barack America!"

"When the stock market crashed, Franklin D. Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the, you know, the princes of greed. He said, 'Look, here's what happened." -Joe Biden, apparently unaware that FDR wasn't president when the stock market crashed in 1929 and that only experimental TV sets were in use at that time

"Stand up, Chuck, let 'em see ya." --Joe Biden, to Missouri state Sen. Chuck Graham, who is in a wheelchair, Columbia, Missouri, Sept. 12, 2008

Hi Mike
You forget to mention that 40K of that debt was due to the 4Trillion we wasted in Irag and Afghanstan under Bush!!
Where were you when Reagan, Bush Sr, and Bush Jr were running up the debt by 350% ???
As I said before, why vote for a republican when they have a track record of fiscal irresponsibility? They'll just get us deeper in debt!

The angry laughing clown won the first half. His buffoonery was very entertaining and one couldn't help but watch this buffoon with his antics. And this guy is actually our Vice President!
The second half was won by the intelligent congressman. Probably because in the second half he was not rudely interrupted by the angry laughing clown and we could hear what he was saying. The contrast was indeed remarkable!
This is just a guess on my part, but I think someone in the crowd must have signaled the VP to stop with the antics, and in the second half, he was just a soft spoken Joe! Or Mabey it was an earpiece. I quess we'll never know!

George-how many trillions has Obama wasted.

Do Dem voters realize that any tax increase on Big Oil or other Big companies will just be passed on to us-the consumers/customers, whether you are poor, rich or middle class..any increase will be passed onto to you..
not to mention the higher (tax) the govt will now collect from you via higher prices at the pump, the supermarket, the electronics store........and the smiling DEMS will tell you...we need to tax big business! millionaires, etc...but we wont raise taxes on the middle class or anyone else... BS....and the Dem votes buy into it...... it's a scam...

We live in a country where the environment is more important than life and that is backwards.Drill in the gulf and every place else IN OUR COUNTRY and show the middle east what we have.

Hi Mike
How can you say Obama ran up the debt faster than any other President!
Reagan ran it up 100% in each of his four years and both Bushes ran it up 50% or more in each of there 4 year terms. So Obamas 55% increase is slightly more than Bush but far less than Reagan !!!

Hi Rich
Another point about the oil companies spending my share of the subsidy is that I don't particulary like incompetent, wasteful industries handling my money. They can't even present a consistent price to the customer- Always excuses: an oil refinery being shut down or a huricane in the Gulf or the leader in Iran having a hiccup.
After 150+ years of pumping oil you would think they would have things under control!

hi Mike
Yep I'm the same guy that thinks the postal service got a raw deal during the Bush administration!
They wouldn't be loosing all that money if they weren't required to fund their employee insurance out to some rediculous time period (75years). Also congress should get off their butts and let them charge a postal fee consistent with UPS and FedEx and not limit them to one cent here one cent there.

Hi Sean
Do you have any hard numbers that show "nobody uses mail any more" I seem to get plenty of stuff in my mail box especially from credit card companies and political fliers etc.

Hi Sean
You may want to check out this article from a non-political association before you make the above statement.
http://spectrum.ieee.org/telecom/internet/email-isnt-killing-the-post-office

Hi Sean
Check out the following non-political article
you may want to change your mind: http://spectrum.ieee.org/telecom/internet/email-isnt-killing-the-post-office

George -work harder 100million people on welfare depend on you.

Joe Biden did not have a valid explanation for the deaths of our Ambassador in Benghazi, Libya or our soldiers. No man or woman left behind ? Yeah Right Joe !
Obama is the commander in chief of our military. Obama let our people get slaughtered over a six hour period, before anything was ever done. They blammed some trailer tape from a Moron and Hillary lied to us. Hillary indicated that this you tube was the reason for the uprising. While Ryan was trying to make his point on this issue, Biden was Mocking Ryan during every step of the so called debate. The moderator was horrible and had no control over Smokin Joe !
Obama should be impeached for this treasonous act, not to react to our counsulette under attack. With the news and instant, "heads up" military security alert on sight. Only an idiot would believe Bidens Lame excuse that this was a fault or hole in our security systems notification systems. Can you imagine if we were under Nuclear attack, it would take six hours before we would know ? This is not only bad politics but a bad government run and operated by inexperienced, inept bureaucrats. Ryan stayed on message, was mature and serious about his questions and answers. While Biden laughed, mocked and demeaned both the moderator and Ryan. One adjective best describes Biden, Classless !
By the way, Ryan was right about President Jacke Kennedy's speech regarding our debt and budget. I guess Biden didn't get it, maybe he was on something ?

Hi Kerstin
I Hope you were this vociferous when Bush was president and sent our soldiers into combat without adaquate body protection or reinforced personnel carriers! Were you calling for His Impeachment at that time? As I recall it took years and years before our troops had proper protection.
Biden did great to show that Ryan and Romney have no substance behind them just all talk and fuzzy details.
Everything seems to be a big secret with there debt reduction plans. In other words they have nothing!

I am curious, is their big secret the same as the big secret Nancy Pelosi talked about with these words to National Association of Counties: "We have to pass the (health care) bill so you can find out what is in it." At least Romney/Ryan have stated that they prefer to work out the details of what loopholes get eliminated in the light of day and in a bipartisan way BEFORE they are approved.

George - you must be smoking the same stuff Joe was the other night. Get your head out of the sand for a few and read up on this embassy debacle. And you say Romney/Ryan have nothing? At least they have a plan that will get America back to work, and restore real leadership to the office, unlike the current administration.

Does anyone care to quess what percentage of democrats supported Joe Biden in polls when he was running for president in the democratic primary four and a half years ago? Less then 1 percent!
They all knew then that this buffoon was not electable! Only chosen by Obama because he knew this idiot would never challenge him on his ideology!

George - again, you need to read unbiased reporting if you want to get real numbers and stats. - moveon.org and sites like that don't cut it. I lived here when Mitt was the governor. In case you're not aware, when he took office, MA was in dire straights financially. But Romney didn't blame his predecessor's, he got to work right away and got the states bond rating up, and really turned things around. He also was very successful in booting out the state hacks that were running this place into the ground.
Obviously you can't handle the truth, and will cast your vote accordingly in Nov. Fortunately most folks now can see through the smoke and mirrors of the current administration. Real change is right around the corner!

Come Election Day, the loudest and clearest message will be those voices of "We, the People".

George, your facts are not correct. MA was 50th when Mitt took office. 28th when he left. As for your other comments, not really worthy of a response, but you may want to read up on gay marriage law in Mass. and how it came to be. (hint: SJC)

@ George Lewis
Firstly, you won’t have a wallet if Obama gets back in. Second, the liberals keep saying the same thing over and over hoping that all will believe their misinformation. Third, there were a minimum of ten tall tales/lies promoted by Biden and I suggest you check your facts and not what the DNC pumps out on their talking point sheet, you might look here http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/12/Fact-Check-Top-Ten-Worst-Lies-by-Joe-Biden-in-VP-Debate as well as other places like the U6 unemployment figures vs U3 figures. Not all of us take one source as gospel.
I am so sick of the lies from the left and so are others who are not on the Kool-Aid. Give me a break with Warren all ready, she is no more a consumer advocate than I am the Pope. It seems that the liberals always try to call others liars, when in fact; they can’t stand on their record. I am an independent and will vote straight Republican ticket this time.

God Bless America and all who serve in our Military.

George - you really need to do some research before spouting off (or should I say, copy & paste) all this malarkey. And by the way, my wallet's long gone. Please ring up your buddy Barrack and tell him I want it back

@George Lewis sorry away from computer and could not get back sooner.
“There you go again” George……All of your remarks just prove my point; just because a liberal keeps saying the same thing over and over doesn’t mean it is totally true. In your narrow little world, I we are supposed to believe that Romney did this all by himself….…who had control of the MA government? Better check yourself to see how many Democrats State reps there were vs Republican during that period and how the recession hit the Dotcom’s and technical fields. Further, you want me to use MSM like MSNBC and CBS who fudge /edit tape conversations and were caught, you must be sipping on DNC Kool-Aid 24/7. Oh, how about the Washington Post and Boston.com, give me a break. This State has been and is in the Liberal Pocket. The only real way is to look at all forms of information outlets with an open mind rather they be conservative or liberal, then verify the facts, not just spout of numbers and make unsubstantiated claims like Biden who was on “Joker Juice” during the debate.

God Bless America and our Troops.

@ George Lewis
My reply will be in two posts due to site post limits.(PT1)
In 2002, Massachusetts' economy was rapidly deteriorating. It was ranked 50th, the second worst in the nation in its increase in unemployment. Job losses were so great that although a dozen states were more populous, and California had over 5 times as many people, Massachusetts lost more jobs than anywhere else in the country:
''A lot of people think this has been bad. This was the warm-up! This was just spring training. There's no glimmer of economic optimism or life or confidence out there. The next governor, whoever it is, is going to have to address this aggressively.''
“ -Speaker Thomas Finnernan...

“Massachusetts is number one in the nation in job losses, shedding 4.7 percent of all jobs over the last two years. The state has lost 71,000 manufacturing jobs, or 17 percent; 69,000, or nearly 14 percent, of all jobs in the professional and business services sector; and nearly 18 percent of all jobs in the information industry.”
Boston Globe - A little perspective - Apr 25, 2003 (the spring just after Mitt came in

“There's a $300 million shortfall. There is a $2 billion structural deficit confronting Massachusetts. The budget is $23 billion, 40% of which is off the table because of court mandates and laws that you must provide that kind of funding. With the remaining $12 billion, you have to find $2 billion...”
CSPAN - Massachusetts Gubernatorial Debate - Oct 29, 2002

@ George Lewis (pt2)
By the time Mitt Romney took office as governor of Massachusetts, the upcoming state budget for that year would have a structural deficit of nearly $3 billion if the budget was not cut. Furthermore, the existing budget passed the previous year, that would be in effect for several more months, had a projected total deficit of approximately $1.2 billion. He inherited about a $650 million deficit.

Governor Romney convinced the legislature to allow him to immediately make changes to the existing budget. He immediately slashed spending and balanced that budget. He then balanced each of the four annual budgets he created. He was dealing with a veto-proof legislature that was 85% democrat, but he was able to 'hold the line on all the spending that the democrats wanted to do.' The budgets he submitted, fought for and succeeded in obtaining not only were balanced each year, but a surplus of $700 million in 2004, nearly $1 billion in 2005 and a surplus of $700 million in 2006. He balanced the budget every year without raising taxes. He took "Massachusetts from billions in deficit to billions in surplus". He turned in a $2 billion rainy day fund at the end of his term in office. Massachusetts unemployment rate went from 5.6 percent to 4.7 ... and yes working with Democrats.
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LASST25000003 (look at this)

Honestly George do some fact finding for yourself before the liberal rant next time.
God Bless America and our Troops.

Biden came across as a bar room know it all after his seventh drink. How else to explain his boorish behavior? I am sure all hyenas loved his facial expressions. The moderator should have administered a breathalyser on him before the debate.

@ George Lewis (pt 3)
In response to this: "Maybe you can tell me his present stance on Planned Parenthood, Gun control, gay marriage, Big Bird?"

The most important issues facing this country are Jobs, the Economy, Energy, safety of our people, and Immigration; all of which you and the rest of the liberals wish to skip right over. Once we have those on the way to be fixed we can refocus on others and you really don’t want to hear what I think about them.

My own view is that both candidates argued their cases well, and most of us presume that the VP candidates will be the heavies for their running mates. I expected for each candidate to intelligently articulate the talking points to support their ticket, and both succeeded.

But I wonder about Biden's debate antics. You know, Al Gore won all three debates against George Bush, but took a dip in the polls after each debate. How was this so? Viewers were turned off by his churlish debate antics, which included sighing and making facial gestures while Bush was speaking. I know that there is a strain of voters who are fond of this type of irreverence, and if Biden's mission was to energize the base of these voters, I'd say mission accomplished. But I cannot help but wonder if most viewers were not turned off by the inappropriate gestures, like when he laughed while Ryan was talking about Iran's desire to create a nuclear arsenal. Does Biden appreciate the seriousness of the topic, and would he resort to similar boorish behavior were he, for example, involved in a dialog with Iranian President Ahmadinejad over Iran's nuclear program?

@ George Lewis
For you and others, why not just go to Romney’s site and read about his positions. I am not going to be your research assistant or going to try to be your interpreter.
http://www.mittromney.com/issues

I have looked and both of Obama’s sites, the one for White Americans and the One for African Americans.
http://www.barackobama.com/
http://www.barackobama.com/african-americans

It is apparent you just wish to argue and have nothing better to do than agitate unconstructively. Your have made your decisions, I have made mine and neither will change, so deal with it.

Paul J - thanks for your thorough research and comments. I agree, George has already drank the kool-aid and so will continue to believe the lines he's fed.

Poor George, all the free stuff will be gone soon! I quess we really should feel bad for him because it really is quite an adjustment to get stuff for free and then be told you really have to work for it!
Leave him alone to ponder his upcoming grief! The Free Ride is over in January!
Back to work everyone!

George, why do you waste your time writing all this crap ? Massachusetts has only about 13 % republican representation, voting which matters. Obviously Obama is going to take Massachusetts. Warren will win and Tierney will lose, after all we the people do not aspire to the Seinfeld rule on lying. Although I am sure you bought into Tierneys delusions. Don't worry George, your EBT card is safe, go down to Harrigans, buy a case of DUFF and enjoy the debate tonight. If all your people get in on November 6th, you can celebrate by submitting your Social Security Disability Retirement. Under Obama, Tierney and Warren, you're a shoe-in George.

Hi Anne,Steve,and Beachmaster.
The reason I write this stuff is because people have short memories. They don't remember Romney campaigning on bringing jobs back to Massachusetts and then while Governor becoming 47th in job creation! They don't remember that he increased fees by $240 Million. They don't remember that he cut services in fire police and education and for some reason managed to increase the state budget by 25%. They don't remember that he outsourced jobs to India. Hardly a record to be proud of! And now he is running for president, and trying to fool the American Voter.
Let me ask you -were you better off after 4 years of Romney as Gov?
And sorry Anne there are some people in the other 53% that think Obama is doing a great job, and I'm one of them! He would be doing a much better job if the do-nothing republican congress got off their duffs!

Georgey poo...you seem to leave out the fact that in Obama's first two years he had control of the House and Senate. Instead of focusing on the economy he rammed Obamcare down our thoughts and tried to get Cap and Trade through. He told John McCain in a budget meeting that elections have consequences and basically alienated the Republicans going forward. The American people didn't approve of Obama's leadership and showed him during the historic 2010 elections. Obama still didn't get it (unlike Clinton) and instead of moving to the center went even more left.

George, your guy said if he didn't turn this around in his first term them he wouldn't be re-elected... Duh?... He said that Bush was unpatriotic for borrowing so much money and raising the deficit.. Your guy is the worst president ever when it comes to borrowing and spending... In 2010 we sent a message, as usual Obama didn't listen...

Lets face the truth George, 16,000,000,000,000.00 in dept, 7.8 percent colecting unemployment, another 7 percent have given up or are greatly underemployed, record high gas prices, businesses bracing for a record high taxation, no confidence in leadership, middle class about to get crushed by tax increase on the company's they work for, food prices killing the middle class and poor, Americans killed overseas due to incompetance, our enemies see weakness and attack our citizen abroad,making enemies with our allies and friends with our enimies! Mickey Mouse could do a better job!
Why is it that all you do is bash Obamas opponent with some facts, a lot of fiction, and try to belittle a man that has hired more people in the businesses that he has run, then Obama has while running a country that has 23,000,000 without work?
No one takes what you say as serious and you sound like an ass.
I challenge you to list all of the positive things Obama has done for this country! I know it will be near impossible, but why don't you give it a try instead of trying to do nothing but put down Romney.

Oh, and by the way, congress has passed more then 40 bills that would have us well on our way out of this financial mess created mostly by Obama, but the Democratically controlled senate will not even vote on these bills! We sent these people to congress to change the direction of this administrations fiscal irresponsibility in record numbers and the senate and Obama have said,(it's our way, or the highway)
Time For A Change!

Romney will tear Obama a new one on Libya alone. Americans dying all over the world and the administration lies about it?

Greg, Obama does not understand how a capitalist democracy works which is the problem. Capitalism is nothing more then trickle down. Company's do well and so do its middle class employees. The poor have greater opportunity to become middle class and so on.
Tax the crap out of business and you end up with higher unemployment and hardship among the middle class and poor! As far as addressing the other democratic talking points, it just a bunch of crap! Instead of fixing the economy, Obama chose to pass Obama care that America didn't want and we have yet to see the overwhelming cost of this unpopular legislation. If he had tried to fix the economy, we would not be facing the mess we are in. The problem is, he does not know how!

By the way Greg, I did say mostly responsible and not entirely responsible which is a fact!

@ George Lewis
•Obamacare never had “the consent of the governed”. It was passed via a 60-vote majority in the Senate that the electorate never intended the Democrats to have. In the 2008 elections, the voters wanted to deliver the maximum possible jolt to the Republicans, in the hope of shaking up that party, and bringing forth new leaders, with better ideas than those of George W. Bush. However, the electorate was not counting on the Democrats being able to steal the Senate election in Minnesota. Horrified by what had happened, the voters corrected this at the earliest opportunity by electing Republican Scott Brown to fill Teddy Kennedy’s seat in Massachusetts. Unfortunately, the Democrats were able to exploit their narrow window of opportunity to pass Obamacare. The electorate has been mobilizing to get rid of it ever since. Their first step was the spontaneous generation of the Tea Party. The second was the 2010 elections, which wiped out huge numbers of Obamacare supporters in both the House and the Senate, and ended Pelosi's reign as Speaker.

George, by repeating false crap continuously over and over again doesn't make the crap true, it's still just crap! How is it possible that a sitting president running for a second term is down in the polls, running against such an incompetent fool?
You may want to ask Jimmy Carter that question because people like you were saying that Reagan was unqualified to be president and was just plain stupid.( I know, I lived thru it, ) and he turned out to be the greatest president in our life time!

Carter had most of the same policies as did Carter and how did he make out?
Americans are not stupid, the have eyes and ears and will speak loudly in November!
As for Obama care, what percentage of Americans are in favor of it?
As for GE, have they made a profit in the last decade? You actually have to make a profit to pay a tax! Thank God Obama hasn't figured out how to tax the losses of a business!
By the way, I will repeat, if Reagan had a line item veto, we would have had a balanced budget! We had a balance budget in the 90's under Clinton because he and the republican led congress did this together. How's that my way or the highway working out for Obama and the democratically controlled senate?
Time to get rid of the bums that will not show bipartisanship in the White House and in congress!

Dept is caused by over spending of Big Government!
The auto industry is not General Motors! They are just one company that made bad decisions and had to be bailed out because of it. This will happen again because they were not left to fail for making such decisions. Why hasn't Obama done the same for the thousands of failed businesses in the last 4 years under his watch? Would it have something to do with the fact that the unions at General Motors are huge supporters of Obama?

Corection to post at 8:06:
Carter had most of the same policies as Obama and how did he make out?